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	<title>Comments on: Startup Camp and the Cultural Divide between those who Have Money and those who Want It</title>
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		<title>By: Reinier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reinier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@breun: Indeed VC is not necessary. If you have a good idea, determination, and skill, you can build your killer web app on your home network of a couple of old leftover computers. The successful language technology firm where I did an internship last year started with no capital, in the middle of the dot-com burst, doing 100-hour work-weeks. Now they have tens of employees.

I also read about an interesting research result that spin-off companies from universities that support spin-offs (like UTwente in the Netherlands) do no better than spin-offs from universities that don&#039;t (like our Universiteit Utrecht). It all seems to suggest that too much luxury isn&#039;t beneficial to a startup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@breun: Indeed VC is not necessary. If you have a good idea, determination, and skill, you can build your killer web app on your home network of a couple of old leftover computers. The successful language technology firm where I did an internship last year started with no capital, in the middle of the dot-com burst, doing 100-hour work-weeks. Now they have tens of employees.</p>
<p>I also read about an interesting research result that spin-off companies from universities that support spin-offs (like UTwente in the Netherlands) do no better than spin-offs from universities that don&#8217;t (like our Universiteit Utrecht). It all seems to suggest that too much luxury isn&#8217;t beneficial to a startup.</p>
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		<title>By: Startup Australia: StartupCamp Melbourne I Coverage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Startup Australia: StartupCamp Melbourne I Coverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bootstrappr The Inquisitr Sjors Provoost Pieter Peach Michael Specht TheSquigglyLine Semantic Aesthetics Never Read [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jordan Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sjors,

It is refreshing to me to see that not everyone got things as wrong as Duncan. I am glad to see that you found value in the whole event and, even, perhaps, in my contributions.

On behalf of the VC community a point of clarification. When you say a VC is &quot;someone with way too much money looking for even more money&quot; it is important to understand that a VC usually is investing someone else&#039;s money - a superannuation fund for example - to deliver a return to that someone else. It is not always, or even often, appropriate to look upon VCs as the source of the funds. They are men and women doing a job and one will get a much better response from them with that in mind than by approaching them with innate envy. Would you invest money you control in someone who treats you with contempt?

I certainly agree that the opportunity for an investor to be more involved earlier in the event might help everyone get more out of it - we&#039;ll see what we can organise. Your link to the David Rose piece is spot on. David is a good guy whom I have had the pleasure of meeting several times and his message is very clear and to the point.

Not quite sure why you felt I was &quot;not in familiar territory&quot; but, I accept that it must have been my fault for not making myself clear and will endeavour to do better next time. I say that because I found it very familiar territory. I first organised a &quot;boot camp&quot; similar to this event in the 1980&#039;s and have been involved in such activities to a greater or lesser extent ever since. Then again, I am no longer the guy on the keyboard cutting the code so perhaps I don&#039;t make enough of an effort to bridge that gap so thank you, I will try harder in the future.

You are absolutely on the money to be looking at the culture gap issues. I lived in the Netherlands, Silicon Valley and elsewhere and that does teach one, if one is willing to learn, that culture gaps are not just between countries and ethnic groups but, also between other groupings of people. If we want something from someone else then it is up to us to understand the other person and approach them on their terms, not ours.

Wish you every success in your endeavours.
Regards,
Jordan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sjors,</p>
<p>It is refreshing to me to see that not everyone got things as wrong as Duncan. I am glad to see that you found value in the whole event and, even, perhaps, in my contributions.</p>
<p>On behalf of the VC community a point of clarification. When you say a VC is &#8220;someone with way too much money looking for even more money&#8221; it is important to understand that a VC usually is investing someone else&#8217;s money &#8211; a superannuation fund for example &#8211; to deliver a return to that someone else. It is not always, or even often, appropriate to look upon VCs as the source of the funds. They are men and women doing a job and one will get a much better response from them with that in mind than by approaching them with innate envy. Would you invest money you control in someone who treats you with contempt?</p>
<p>I certainly agree that the opportunity for an investor to be more involved earlier in the event might help everyone get more out of it &#8211; we&#8217;ll see what we can organise. Your link to the David Rose piece is spot on. David is a good guy whom I have had the pleasure of meeting several times and his message is very clear and to the point.</p>
<p>Not quite sure why you felt I was &#8220;not in familiar territory&#8221; but, I accept that it must have been my fault for not making myself clear and will endeavour to do better next time. I say that because I found it very familiar territory. I first organised a &#8220;boot camp&#8221; similar to this event in the 1980&#8242;s and have been involved in such activities to a greater or lesser extent ever since. Then again, I am no longer the guy on the keyboard cutting the code so perhaps I don&#8217;t make enough of an effort to bridge that gap so thank you, I will try harder in the future.</p>
<p>You are absolutely on the money to be looking at the culture gap issues. I lived in the Netherlands, Silicon Valley and elsewhere and that does teach one, if one is willing to learn, that culture gaps are not just between countries and ethnic groups but, also between other groupings of people. If we want something from someone else then it is up to us to understand the other person and approach them on their terms, not ours.</p>
<p>Wish you every success in your endeavours.<br />
Regards,<br />
Jordan</p>
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		<title>By: Startup Camp Melbourne wrap up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Startup Camp Melbourne wrap up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have posted (here, here, here, here, here, here, and here) on the process of what went on so I won&#8217;t go into it in too [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nils Breunese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nils Breunese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff. Have you seen DHH&#039;s talk called &quot;The Secret to Making Money Online&quot;? (Yes, that&#039;s the guy that created Ruby on Rails and works at 37signals.) He argues that you really don&#039;t need any venture capital to become a millionaire. Of course, that probably depends on what you want to achieve. Still, an interesting talk: http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/981-the-secret-to-making-money-online</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff. Have you seen DHH&#8217;s talk called &#8220;The Secret to Making Money Online&#8221;? (Yes, that&#8217;s the guy that created Ruby on Rails and works at 37signals.) He argues that you really don&#8217;t need any venture capital to become a millionaire. Of course, that probably depends on what you want to achieve. Still, an interesting talk: <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/981-the-secret-to-making-money-online" rel="nofollow">http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/981-the-secret-to-making-money-online</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sjors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sjors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, that&#039;s not my plan. I will do the best I can here for the next 6 months and then I&#039;m off to The Netherlands (where there is even less venture capital b.t.w.). 

I have no intention of wearing a suit and telling lies; there are better ways to achieve what I want. 

Also, I&#039;m not looking for venture capital myself; I don&#039;t need it (yet). I just want to make myself useful in the Melbourne &quot;underground&quot; tech community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, that&#8217;s not my plan. I will do the best I can here for the next 6 months and then I&#8217;m off to The Netherlands (where there is even less venture capital b.t.w.). </p>
<p>I have no intention of wearing a suit and telling lies; there are better ways to achieve what I want. </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not looking for venture capital myself; I don&#8217;t need it (yet). I just want to make myself useful in the Melbourne &#8220;underground&#8221; tech community.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reinier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your analysis of the culture shock with VCs, but I can only say: LEAVE, for the love of God!

I don&#039;t want you to spend the rest of your life wearing a suit, telling lies and getting rich as a side effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your analysis of the culture shock with VCs, but I can only say: LEAVE, for the love of God!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want you to spend the rest of your life wearing a suit, telling lies and getting rich as a side effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good write up Sjors.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thoughtful post mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thoughtful post mate.</p>
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